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Mon, 01 Sep 2008, 1:06pm #1
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Steve321 posted this as if it were a bad thing.
Steve321's link to Shelby Super Car, EV version

I think it is very likely just the sort of confirmation thing that has to eventually happen / leak out / sneak out / connect the dots.

Isn't Shelby's "revolutionary power source" obviously the EESU?

Part of July 12, 2008 announcement:
"The drive train under development will feature a revolutionary power source allowing for extended time between charging intervals with the possibility of several years between charging".

"revolutionary power source" - can you say EESU?
"several years between charging" - doesn't say under use.
EESU's 0.02% / 30 days discharge fits that odd phrase.

And Shelby's going to be using 500 HP emotors.
ZENN's exclusive license ends at 100 KW (~135 HP) *continuous* ~350 peak HP, per my rule of thumb.

This could be an incredibly exact perfect jigsaw puzzle piece match to known facts.
Shelby could have a high end EESU license.

February 2009 prototype roll out.
Fits with current statements and confidence about (long delayed) schedule.

Shelby, himself, still alive?
He / company have an innovative, maverick streak / reputation?

Just the sort of person / company Weir would seek out?
That would add a lot of media pizzaz and sparkle at the roll out / announcment?

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Shelby is alive and I can totally see Weir duping him as well as LM.


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Y_Po wrote:

Shelby is alive and I can totally see Weir duping him as well as LM.

SSC (Shelby Super Cars) is not related to Carroll Shelby.

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ahhh,
Thanks very much, Derek.

Jerod O. Shelby (March 11, 1968)
"SSC [Shelby Super Car] founder Jerod Shelby, who incidentally bears no relation to legendary race driver and sports car developer Carroll Shelby"

Using the Shelby name.
Sucking in the ignorant?
ME!

Also then, to Y_Po's constant suspicion.
Another gullible dreamer sucked into this fantasy. :)

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Great find! This adds up another 10 % to the credibility of the Eestory...


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Mon, 01 Sep 2008, 4:23pm #6
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Nah- it is not an EESU, but uses, from France, a 4th-gen mini-reactor with urunium-enriched spheres, but dampened so the amount of radiation requires very little shielding, producing enough heat to run a Stirling Engine that generates electricity. Even though the spheres have much less radioactive fuel, i.e. couldn't run a power plant with it, it's enough to power one engine and last for years. Those wily French engineers;-) Or am I getting this confused with the nano-antennas...


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Mon, 01 Sep 2008, 7:32pm #7
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Nah, it's "zero point energy". Based on the specs seen in "Stargate Atlantis". ;)

Unless Weir has been fooling everyone and has actually been producing EESUs in quantity for a year or two, there's no way a production car is going to be sold next year powered by an EESU. It takes years to design and build a car and get it past all the certification necessary to sell it to the general public.

Anyone who think this adds any to the credibility of EEStor needs to think again. Advertising a gee-whiz car which will be "available soon" on a slick website doesn't require any automotive engineers-- just a good webmaster and someone who's good with PhotoShop.

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This is Shelby Super Cars you're talking about, man, not some made up web-only company. They have a history and a reputation. They make real honest-to-goodness freaking amazing cars.

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Shelby Super Cars may well be real. But the claim they have an EESU powered car almost certainly is *not* real.

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There is no such claim, just nekote and some folks speculating. Shelby's claim is that they'll be using a revolutionary zero-emmission power source.

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They are referring to a "green powerplant":

Much of the private capital will be dedicated to achieve the next historical milestone: A prototype of the World's Fastest GREEN Supercar. "I think we can do it faster, leaner and cleaner than any other manufacturer," says Shelby. Select invitees include celebrities and notable financiers from around the world including Dubai, Moscow and Singapore. The company is currently fielding an onslaught of world media attention including political candidates anxious to align themselves with the all-American auto maker.

SSC's investment banking group heading the initiative, Sheffield International Finance Corporation, will undertake a range of activities in collaboration with SSC, including the implementation and oversight of the Company's first acceptance of outside capital. SSC will capitalize on Sheffield International's exposure to key relationships establishing exclusive showrooms in key cities around the globe with access to the super luxury marketplace.

With heightened secrecy over Green engineering innovations, the next milestone slated for SSC will be plans to unveil the first green power plant in its Ultimate Aero as early as 1st quarter 2009, with four production models to be rolled out by December 2009.

Sheffield International's CEO, Philippe Harari remarked, "We are honored to work alongside this American Pioneer at the pinnacle of its industry. SSC embodies American engineering and integrity at its best. The SSC Story is a proud example of what America can accomplish with determination and private capital".

Although the private offering is invitation based and offered for a limited period, private investors that are interested in obtaining a confidential summary and investor package are encouraged to contact:

Source: SSC Website


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It was so painful to see people thinking this supercar could be powered by an EESU. I had to register just to make another comment. Wouldn't a 1000 Hp super car need about 10MWh to run for 2-3 years years? My science may not be hot but I know it would be one gnarly EESU.

Shelby is just like Eestor ..... All promises with nothing to show.

These technology charades are never about science. They are all about money and human behaviour..... Which is actually more predictable than a lot of science.

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steve wrote:

curiouser wrote:

There are no solar panels available that would provide enough power to run the car for for years without external charging if you drove it much. But neither would an EESU.

Get a grip, man. See ya later.

According to the specs announced by EEstor, an EEsu would hold the charge - without driving the car - for years.

You get a grip. You don't even know what EEstor has claimed. That is obvious from your post.

As I correctly stated, EEstor is the only technology that we know of which meets the specs stated by Shelby.

Correction:

EEStor is the only PROPOSED technology that we have HEARD of which SUPPOSEDLY meets the specs stated by Shelby.


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nekote wrote:

Link to (now modified) Press Release

Part of *original* July 12, 2008 announcement quoted at beginning of topic thread:
"The drive train under development will feature a revolutionary power source allowing for extended time between charging intervals with the possibility of several years between charging".
{highlighted text no longer part of the "Press Release" text}

...

February 2009 prototype roll out.

...

"Consistent with its company philosophy of being the benchmark, SSC plans next to break the record for the fastest electric car in the world.

Stay tuned..."
I'm refreshing this thread, in hopes that Friday's (2/27/2009) splashy Grand Opening of Shelby Super Cars' new Show Room in Dubai, UAE might just include their debut of the Ultimate Aero EV with an EESU "under the hood".

Total speculation in posting this topic, in the first place.
Total speculation on this Friday being anything EESU related.

I have *NOT* detected any other media announcments / clues, yet.
What's chances such a debut would *NOT* have all sorts of advance notice to the media, to help create a "buzz"?

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Ha-ha, I have not noticed part about few years between charging. Must be a typo they probably meant battery life of few years.


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Pretty clearly a mis-understanding / mis-writting, of some sort.
Spookier, to me, is that it was edit out, after the initial release.

Battery life, EESU ultra-low self-discharge (0.02% / 30 days), ... something.

Not credible, several years between charges, while in operational use.
Unless nuclear, I guess! :)
Now that'd be *really* revolutionary, wouldn't it!


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Mon, 23 Feb 2009, 5:30pm #17
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Check out this flashy Power Point. www.sheffieldinternational.com/ssc/ssc-green.pdf
Notice the range is 200 miles and the charge time is 10 min.
I'm agreeing with nekote, I can't wait to see if they have what they say.


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200 mile range,
10 minute charge,
20 year battery life,
5-6 K$ unit price,
All of this sounds way too much like the EEsu specs.
Could Shelby Super Cars be a stelth investor?
How many shares of Zenn stock would it take to equal one share of the new offering?


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Mon, 23 Feb 2009, 5:52pm #19
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20-year battery life doesn't fit, not if the "infinite" charging aspect of an EESU is to be taken at face value.


It's time for EEStor to come out of its shell.

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Mon, 23 Feb 2009, 5:55pm #20
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Looks like they are using "Lithium Ion".

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/22/shelby-super...

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Mon, 23 Feb 2009, 6:01pm #21
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Is this science? Company A wants to build an electric super car (but has nothing now). Company B wants to build a super electric storage device (but has nothing now). So company A must be building their car using a device from company B. Nothing + nothing = nothing not an alliance.
Besides I know for a fact the SSC will be using a Mr. Fusion flux capacitor. The Mr. Fusion will be released before the EESU.

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Keerthi, You are right, The press release does say nanotechnology lithium Ion. Oh well :(


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Mon, 23 Feb 2009, 6:35pm #23
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http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/22/shelby-supercars-reveals-new-plans-for-ultimate-aero-ev-that-inc/
SSC's Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge. This means that in a typical 8 hour day, the car using this technology could go 200 miles, charge for 10 minutes (the time it typically takes to fill up a tank of gas), then drive 200 more miles, charge for 10 minutes and continue on. Some other EV technologies necessitate an overnight charge creating a class of "commuter electric cars" and are not practical alternatives to gas combustion automobiles.

Not credible.
Most especially 110V 10 minute charge worth 200 miles, as implied.
Mis-information, lies, mis-written (deliberately or not), ... just not credible, as written.

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10 minute charge .... Altair?


Just assume everything I say about EEStor includes the phrase "if it works".
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Maybe this thread would be better to follow?

It's as simple as 1 + 1:

ZENN wrote:

...non-exclusive, worldwide use to manufacture higher horsepower...
ZENN = Exclusive rights < 200 hp

SSC wrote:

...will provide packaged solutions of its AESP to a wide variety of applications ranging from 200 horsepower for economy and midsize cars, to 500 horsepower for light trucks and SUVs, and up to 1200 horsepower for delivery trucks, heavy‐duty equipment, buses and military vehicles
SSC = Exclusive rights > 200 hp

tvillars wrote:

SSC talks about their drive train being used in economy size cars and up

we are talking about SUPERCARS, so 200 hp is where you start at...

100 kW continuous = 150 kW peak = 201 hp peak!!!

A perfect fit?


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Thanks to Thorny for the link in the chat.

Sad that everyone jumps to ESU.

http://www.sheffieldinternational.com/ssc/ssc-g...

clip of slide

The Ultimate Aero EV Specifications
0-60 MPH in 2.5 Seconds Battery Pack Life Expectancy up to 20 Years
150-200 Mile Battery Range
Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery
10 Minute Full Battery Re-Charge / 220 Outlet

“Charge On The Run”


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Keerthi wrote:

Looks like they are using "Lithium Ion".

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/22/shelby-super...

No, this is the old press release. In the new one (the corrected, official version) the "lithium ion" statement is not included anymore...


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nekote wrote:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/22/shelby-supercars-reveals-new-plans-for-ultimate-aero-ev-that-inc/
SSC's Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard 110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single charge. This means that in a typical 8 hour day, the car using this technology could go 200 miles, charge for 10 minutes (the time it typically takes to fill up a tank of gas), then drive 200 more miles, charge for 10 minutes and continue on. Some other EV technologies necessitate an overnight charge creating a class of "commuter electric cars" and are not practical alternatives to gas combustion automobiles.

Not credible.
Most especially 110V 10 minute charge worth 200 miles, as implied.
Mis-information, lies, mis-written (deliberately or not), ... just not credible, as written.

nekote, this text was from you:

nekote wrote:

110V outlet
vesus
220V service
awfully key words.

A "220V service" going to mean, essentially, all or almost all of a fairly common 200 Ampere residential service. Or some crazy, "souped up" 1000 Amp service - say the entire output of a utility 220V step-down transformer, that would ordinarily service multiple houses!

Even so, 200 * 220V = 44 kW power rate.
A 200 mile distance, at a very generously high 8 mi / kWh, still needs 25 kWh of energy.
Thus ~34 minutes @ 44 kW.

A ~700 Ampere service???

Maybe if you go down to 1 or 5 or 10 mph you can triple to 25 or 30 mi / kWh???

It refers to the new version of the press release.


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sydd wrote:

Keerthi wrote:

Looks like they are using "Lithium Ion".

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/01/22/shelby-super...

No, this is the old press release. In the new one (the corrected, official version) the "lithium ion" statement is not included anymore...

Sydd,

So do you think Shelby's own info on their site is incorrect? --> http://www.sheffieldinternational.com/ssc/ssc-g...


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(suggestions for a better way to post this info would be welcomed!)

Shelby Super Cars seems to have a habit of re-issuing PR.
And deleting the *DIFFERENT* original, from their web site.
At least 2 versions; maybe 3? more?
:(

1/21/2009 PR (captured by autoblog.com):
SSC Announces Green Technologies
Revealing Revolutionary Battery and
Electric Powertrain Technology

West Richland, WA January 21, 2009:

Shelby SuperCars (SSC) released the details today of the
revolutionary electric vehicle technology to be unveiled
in the second quarter of this year. SSC will reveal its
innovative all-electric powertrain in the current Ultimate
Aero, the Guinness Certified "Fastest Production Car in
the World," to create the Ultimate Aero EV and will
reinforce the company as a benchmark in the auto
industry. But unlike other auto manufacturers, SSC's
new technology will set a new standard in the electric
car industry - one of 10 minute recharges, super
horsepower and ranges of up to 200 miles per charge.

While other auto manufacturers focus on producing
Green technology for specific cars, SSC's focus is on
producing Green technologies for a wide range of
applications for an even wider range of vehicles. SSC's
electric powertrain package, named AESP (All-Electric
Scalable Powertrain) is unique due to its scalable
horsepower, light weight, compact size, quick recharge
time and liquid cooling.

SSC's Nanotechnology Rechargeable Lithium Battery
pack is rechargeable in only 10 minutes on a standard
110 outlet and has a 150-200 mile range on a single
charge. This means that in a typical 8 hour day, the car
using this technology could go 200 miles, charge for
10 minutes (the time it typically takes to fill up a tank
of gas), then drive 200 more miles, charge for 10 minutes
and continue on. Some other EV technologies
necessitate an overnight charge creating a class of
"commuter electric cars" and are not practical
alternatives to gas combustion automobiles.

The AESP's main feature is its scalability. The all-
electric SUV or delivery truck is now a reality in the
not-so-distant future. The AESP is scalable from
200 horsepower for economy and midsize cars, to 500
horsepower for light trucks and SUVs, and up to 1200
horsepower for delivery trucks, heavy duty equipment,
buses and military vehicles. The revolutionary design
proves electric-powered vehicles not only match, but
also provide more linear power (electric motors have
100% torque at 0 RPM) and overall performance than
internal combustion vehicles.

All-electric. No gasoline.

Light weight. Just a fraction of the weight of a
standard combustion engine (<200lbs.)

Extended performance. Internal cooling systems are
built into the motors.

Compact size. 1/18 the space of a standard engine;
significant increase in cargo room.

Scalable horsepower. From 200 horsepower (one motor)
to 1200 horsepower (two motors "piggy backed").

Quick recharges. Only 10 minutes on standard 110 outlet.

The current AESP was designed to meet the
manufacturing and quality requirements of major
automotive manufacturers, transportation operators
and the military. SSC will wholesale the AESP to mass
production car companies, governments, and to public,
private, and niche businesses. Costs for mass-produced
units are $5K-$6K per unit for 1000 to 10,000 units
(with further reduction in unit cost for increased
production.)

SSC's next milestone will be the pursuit of the
"World's Fastest Electric Car" with the Ultimate
Aero EV later this year.

1/22/2009 (currently on SSC web site):
SSC Announces Electric Powertrain
and Ultimate Aero EV Specifications

WEST RICHLAND, WA (01/22/2009)

Shelby SuperCars (SSC) released today the details of
its revolutionary All-Electric Scalable Powertrain,
the AESP. SSC will incorporate its AESP into the current
Ultimate Aero to create the Ultimate Aero EV. Being the
"World's Fastest Production Car," SSC decided the
Ultimate Aero to be the perfect high visibility outlet to
demonstrate the capabilities of its new Green
powertrain. Directly following the debut of the Ultimate
Aero EV, SSC will conduct a live media event to
showcase the capabilities of its revolutionary Green
powertrain.

SSC will display its AESP in the Ultimate Aero EV in order
to prove that electric-powered vehicles will not only
match but also provide more linear power (electric
motors have 100% torque at 0 RPM) and overall
performance than internal combustion cars. The Ultimate
Aero EV utilizes a twin motor AESP producing an
astounding 1,000 HP and 800 lb-ft of torque enabling it to
rocket to 60 mph in a mere 2.5 seconds and reach a top
speed of 208 mph. Not only does the Ultimate Aero EV
have a range of 150-200 miles on a single charge, but SSC's
"Charge on the RunTM" onboard charging system allows
for full battery recharges in as little as 10 minutes.
SSC's 3-speed automatic transmission transfers the Ultimate
Aero EV's power to its wheels and achieves
controlled shift times of .24 s. The entire AESP is liquid
cooled allowing it to run for extended periods of time at
peak performance with no overheating issues.

SSC's Green division, SSC Green, Inc., will provide
packaged solutions of its AESP to a wide variety of
applications ranging from 200 horsepower for economy and
midsize cars, to 500 horsepower for light trucks and SUVs,
and up to 1,200 horsepower for delivery trucks, heavy-duty
equipment, buses and military vehicles.

SSC expects to roll out its first full-scale, pre-production
Ultimate Aero EV in second quarter 2009. Ultimate Aero EV
deliveries will start as early as fourth quarter 2009. SSC
will pursue the title of "World's Fastest Production
Electric Car" and conduct a marketing campaign consisting
of international motor shows, magazine articles, TV
appearances and live media events. Most importantly, SSC
will conduct a live media event at one of America's
superspeedways to prove its claims. During this event SSC
Founder and Lead Designer, Jerod Shelby, and notable
guests will drive laps at high speed pitting only to
demonstrate the quick recharge times. SSC asks any
interested media to send a request to
AeroEVMedia@sscautos.com.


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