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Futureman Almighty wrote:

Here is what the president is up against this year from bigoted pieces of shit, I hope everyone who has this sticker on their car gets their car keyed.

http://yfrog.com/kfpmwzuj?f=1

That reminds me of a funny story. I used to work directly for the CIO of a Telecommunications company in the early 00's. He was a black man with a quirky personality...kind of reminded me of Sammy Davis Jr. I had called him to inquire about why he had closed a requisition I'd posted earlier for a security engineering position for which he had previously approved. Not thinking a thing about race implications I jokingly referred to him as a re-negger. As in to someone who reneged on a deal not the infamous “N” word. Anyway, right as he started to ask, “What did you call me?” I realized how this must have sounded over the phone. He realized after my stuttering and stammering apology, that I meant no disrespect and thankfully has a great sense of humor about the whole thing. I received well deserved but good natured ribbing on the topic for many months following.

Considering the story in your link, to purposfully reference a racial slur on a bumper sticker is pretty backwards and stupid.

Last edited Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 2:45pm by unipres

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Futureman Almighty wrote:

Arizona Birth Control Bill Penalizes Women For Using Contraception For Non-Medical Reasons

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/14/arizon...

Smaller Government! Wait? Wut?

Ok I read it and here is my take from it:

This is an attempt to right or wrongly make it possible for employers who reject birth control (e.g. religous reasons) to still cover medically needed hormones that actually treat or prevent health issues. Pregnancy is not a disese.

It is complete BS and spin to treat a normal healthy pregnancy as if it were a life threatening illness. For most employers who self insure it isn't the COST of the B.C. that is the issue, they would rather pay for the woman to have a child instead of either preventing it, or KILLING it which is also being forced to be covered.

The truth is that birthcontrol is not very expensive. I don't think birthcontrol OR viagra (except for off label medical reasons) should be covered by insurance. While prevention helps save money, the more government or insurance money we continue to throw into healthcare the more expensive it will become for many reasons. One class in economics will show why.

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Cute story Unipres, but I was hoping you'd at least acknowledge the sticker is pure racism. It says Re-NIG, not Reneg, if you think that was an accident you are either stupid or in denial.

dvelasco68 wrote:

...SKIP...
First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...
...SKIP...

The pills require a prescription. Doctor visits are expensive, both directly and in time lost from work. But, if a woman is in Latin or South America, she can buy the pills without a prescription.

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Futureman Almighty wrote:

Feel the love, do you agree though that the bumper sticker is pure racism?

I tried to follow the link but I am at work and it didn't connect. I will check it out later.

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wcushman wrote:

dvelasco68 wrote:

...SKIP...
First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...
...SKIP...

The pills require a prescription. Doctor visits are expensive, both directly and in time lost from work. But, if a woman is in Latin or South America, she can buy the pills without a prescription.

Your are full of it. Doctor visit is around $150 for a simple office visit. Or they can go to a community health office that has doctors. Either way, most doctors will write a script for a years worth or so before they ask you to come back in. You are looking at maybe $22 a month. Or use condoms/foam together and be safe from pregnancy AND STDs.

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Free clinics are not expensive...

And those with healthcare (what we are talking about here) get visits for their co-pay...

wcushman wrote:

dvelasco68 wrote:

...SKIP...
First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...
...SKIP...

The pills require a prescription. Doctor visits are expensive, both directly and in time lost from work. But, if a woman is in Latin or South America, she can buy the pills without a prescription.

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dvelasco68 wrote:

Supa,

You need to get you facts straight...

First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...

supamark wrote:

...when the democrats passed the civil rights act and all those racist white voters in the South needed a new party, which the repubs saw as, "ooh, new voters!" instead of, "ooh, good riddence we don't want them in our party"....

<snip stuff about civil rights>

You fail at reading comprehension. as I said AFTER the civil rights legislation passed in the mid 60's, Southerners (who were mostly democrat, and often racist) had to find a new party that didn't like people with brown skin (and the southern dem's that voted for the legislation were voted out next election). the republicans decided to court them. next time, understand before running your f'ing mouth. it was famously said that the civil rights legislation lost the south for democrats, and it was true.

you also apparently didn't read the part of the bill where employers can fire female employees who use (and pay for it on their own) birth control. that is certainly unconstitutional though in a right to work state it is redundant (unless they also want to get out of paying unemployment benefits).

Reposting this wonderful film for all to see!

whiskeythief wrote:

I doubt there ever was such a bumper sticker. If there was, the racist idiot sure as hell isn't important.

Wetting your pants about this is stupid. It says nothing about people who oppose Obama's policies.

calm down.

Do you seriously doubt the existance of this (and various similar) bumper sticker? sure it's nothing to get worked up about (because it will help, not hurt Obama's re-election), but it's pretty sad that a lot of people in the US still think that way.

Feel_the_LovEE wrote:

wcushman wrote:

dvelasco68 wrote:

...SKIP...
First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...
...SKIP...

The pills require a prescription. Doctor visits are expensive, both directly and in time lost from work. But, if a woman is in Latin or South America, she can buy the pills without a prescription.

Your are full of it. Doctor visit is around $150 for a simple office visit. Or they can go to a community health office that has doctors. Either way, most doctors will write a script for a years worth or so before they ask you to come back in. You are looking at maybe $22 a month. Or use condoms/foam together and be safe from pregnancy AND STDs.

You must be really rich. A $150 doctor visit is significant to me. I think working 3 days (after withholding) at a minimum-wage job to pay $150 is significant. Not only are you full of shit yourself, you have no perspective. Also, learn that "your" is a possessive pronoun and not a contraction for "you are". Then you will be able to write English when you get past 6th grade.

Last edited Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 4:26pm by wcushman

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oh, snap!

supamark wrote:

whiskeythief wrote:

I doubt there ever was such a bumper sticker. If there was, the racist idiot sure as hell isn't important.

Wetting your pants about this is stupid. It says nothing about people who oppose Obama's policies.

calm down.

Do you seriously doubt the existance of this (and various similar) bumper sticker? sure it's nothing to get worked up about (because it will help, not hurt Obama's re-election), but it's pretty sad that a lot of people in the US still think that way.

I think it's sad you think a lot of people in the US still think that way.

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unipres wrote:

supamark wrote:

whiskeythief wrote:

I doubt there ever was such a bumper sticker. If there was, the racist idiot sure as hell isn't important.

Wetting your pants about this is stupid. It says nothing about people who oppose Obama's policies.

calm down.

Do you seriously doubt the existance of this (and various similar) bumper sticker? sure it's nothing to get worked up about (because it will help, not hurt Obama's re-election), but it's pretty sad that a lot of people in the US still think that way.

I think it's sad you think a lot of people in the US still think that way.

<facepalm.jpg>

You've never been to the South apparently (where I've lived for decades). You'd have to be a moron to think racism isn't alive and well in the US.

supamark wrote:

dvelasco68 wrote:

Supa,

You need to get you facts straight...

First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...

supamark wrote:

...when the democrats passed the civil rights act and all those racist white voters in the South needed a new party, which the repubs saw as, "ooh, new voters!" instead of, "ooh, good riddence we don't want them in our party"....

<snip stuff about civil rights>

You fail at reading comprehension. as I said AFTER the civil rights legislation passed in the mid 60's, Southerners (who were mostly democrat, and often racist) had to find a new party that didn't like people with brown skin (and the southern dem's that voted for the legislation were voted out next election). the republicans decided to court them. next time, understand before running your f'ing mouth. it was famously said that the civil rights legislation lost the south for democrats, and it was true.

you also apparently didn't read the part of the bill where employers can fire female employees who use (and pay for it on their own) birth control. that is certainly unconstitutional though in a right to work state it is redundant (unless they also want to get out of paying unemployment benefits).

Supamark, I'd like for you or someone on here promoting the Huffington Post article to quote the part of the legislation that states an employer may fire someone for using birth control. So much of the article referenced earlier was a blatant mis-characterization of the bill I can't tell they are saying that because it's already legal to do so or someone was dumb enough to actually wright language like that into the bill.

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supamark wrote:

whiskeythief wrote:

I doubt there ever was such a bumper sticker. If there was, the racist idiot sure as hell isn't important.

Wetting your pants about this is stupid. It says nothing about people who oppose Obama's policies.

calm down.

Do you seriously doubt the existance of this (and various similar) bumper sticker? sure it's nothing to get worked up about (because it will help, not hurt Obama's re-election), but it's pretty sad that a lot of people in the US still think that way.

U.S. Hate And Extremist Groups Hit Record Levels, New Report Says

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Supa,

It might be what you meant, but not what you wrote (no mention of 60's)...

And the Democrats did not passed the civil rights legislation... Both Republican & Democrats passed it....

supamark wrote:

You fail at reading comprehension. as I said AFTER the civil rights legislation passed in the mid 60's, Southerners (who were mostly democrat, and often racist) had to find a new party that didn't like people with brown skin (and the southern dem's that voted for the legislation were voted out next election). the republicans decided to court them. next time, understand before running your f'ing mouth. it was famously said that the civil rights legislation lost the south for democrats, and it was true.

you also apparently didn't read the part of the bill where employers can fire female employees who use (and pay for it on their own) birth control. that is certainly unconstitutional though in a right to work state it is redundant (unless they also want to get out of paying unemployment benefits).

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unipres wrote:

supamark wrote:

dvelasco68 wrote:

Supa,

You need to get you facts straight...

First off the birth control issue is matter of $9 a month... (cost at walmart for generic bc) hardly the issue it's made out to be...
http://www.chacha.com/question/how-much-does-bi...

supamark wrote:

...when the democrats passed the civil rights act and all those racist white voters in the South needed a new party, which the repubs saw as, "ooh, new voters!" instead of, "ooh, good riddence we don't want them in our party"....

<snip stuff about civil rights>

You fail at reading comprehension. as I said AFTER the civil rights legislation passed in the mid 60's, Southerners (who were mostly democrat, and often racist) had to find a new party that didn't like people with brown skin (and the southern dem's that voted for the legislation were voted out next election). the republicans decided to court them. next time, understand before running your f'ing mouth. it was famously said that the civil rights legislation lost the south for democrats, and it was true.

you also apparently didn't read the part of the bill where employers can fire female employees who use (and pay for it on their own) birth control. that is certainly unconstitutional though in a right to work state it is redundant (unless they also want to get out of paying unemployment benefits).

Supamark, I'd like for you or someone on here promoting the Huffington Post article to quote the part of the legislation that states an employer may fire someone for using birth control. So much of the article referenced earlier was a blatant mis-characterization of the bill I can't tell they are saying that because it's already legal to do so or someone was dumb enough to actually wright language like that into the bill.

The lawyers at the ACLU seem to think so. I tried to read through the bill, and the only thing I noticed is that if you get the medical clearance the insurance company is allowed to charge an "administrative fee" for processing the claim. Also, the woman has to pay out of pocket THEN do a claim against insurance (for which they'll charge add'l money, clearly another imposed hurdle). As I said earlier, assuming Arizona is a right to work state it won't matter since they can fire you because the sky is blue if they want.

dvelasco68 wrote:

Supa,

It might be what you meant, but not what you wrote (no mention of 60's)...

And the Democrats did not passed the civil rights legislation... Both Republican & Democrats passed it....

supamark wrote:

You fail at reading comprehension. as I said AFTER the civil rights legislation passed in the mid 60's, Southerners (who were mostly democrat, and often racist) had to find a new party that didn't like people with brown skin (and the southern dem's that voted for the legislation were voted out next election). the republicans decided to court them. next time, understand before running your f'ing mouth. it was famously said that the civil rights legislation lost the south for democrats, and it was true.

you also apparently didn't read the part of the bill where employers can fire female employees who use (and pay for it on their own) birth control. that is certainly unconstitutional though in a right to work state it is redundant (unless they also want to get out of paying unemployment benefits).

when the fuck do you think the civil rights act passed? in the 60's, duh. and it was passed by LBJ (a man who knew how to get shit done in Washington, unlike our current president who doesn't twist enough arms).

Futureman Almighty wrote:

Reposting this wonderful film for all to see!

Great video, what a contrast to the Repelicans, none of the current alternates are any where near the Presidents level of intelligence or morality or just basic humanity.

supamark wrote:

dvelasco68 wrote:

Supa,

It might be what you meant, but not what you wrote (no mention of 60's)...

And the Democrats did not passed the civil rights legislation... Both Republican & Democrats passed it....

supamark wrote:

You fail at reading comprehension. as I said AFTER the civil rights legislation passed in the mid 60's, Southerners (who were mostly democrat, and often racist) had to find a new party that didn't like people with brown skin (and the southern dem's that voted for the legislation were voted out next election). the republicans decided to court them. next time, understand before running your f'ing mouth. it was famously said that the civil rights legislation lost the south for democrats, and it was true.

you also apparently didn't read the part of the bill where employers can fire female employees who use (and pay for it on their own) birth control. that is certainly unconstitutional though in a right to work state it is redundant (unless they also want to get out of paying unemployment benefits).

when the fuck do you think the civil rights act passed? in the 60's, duh. and it was passed by LBJ (a man who knew how to get shit done in Washington, unlike our current president who doesn't twist enough arms).

There have been many Civil Rights Acts (1866, 1875, 1957, 1964, 1968, 1991). Dvelasco68 referred to civil rights legislation, not the Civil Rights Act. The 14th Amendment should be included under that definition.

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wasmaba wrote:

supamark wrote:

whiskeythief wrote:

I doubt there ever was such a bumper sticker. If there was, the racist idiot sure as hell isn't important.

Wetting your pants about this is stupid. It says nothing about people who oppose Obama's policies.

calm down.

Do you seriously doubt the existance of this (and various similar) bumper sticker? sure it's nothing to get worked up about (because it will help, not hurt Obama's re-election), but it's pretty sad that a lot of people in the US still think that way.

U.S. Hate And Extremist Groups Hit Record Levels, New Report Says

I personally know an 8 year old girl who was dis-invited to join a "club" with other little girls at a private Christian Elementary School, because of the color of her skin. That happened 3 days ago. There is much more to this story, but I am going to keep my mouth shut for now.

I have supported the Southern Poverty Law Center since at least 1987... but haven't donated in a long time... hum, where is my credit card.

The SPLC and other analysts attribute these increases to widespread distress with the role of government as well as anger and conspiratorial rhetoric directed toward President Obama. Last year's anti-government totals eclipsed the previous record of 858 groups in 1996: the year following the truck bombing of Oklahoma City's Alfred P. Murrah federal building that left 168 dead. Despite the violent rhetoric and increasing number of extremist groups, there has been a paucity of successful violent attacks by both hard-core hatemongers and right-wing militants in the United States over the last decade.

There is still plenty of racism and hate to go around.

Ask yourself, how many racist agnostics or atheists do you know?

It seems like it is always the people that believe in God and Satan that are the racists and the haters. Why is that?

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Hi Guys,

Lets get to serious stuff here. You Americans should talk to Australians about racial tolerance.

We kiwis are still annoyed that you Americans claim the Wright Brothers were the first to fly, yet we know it was Richard Pearce. But we were not prepared to start a war over it.

We have always known that Phar Lap was a kiwi race horse and that lamingtons and pavlova were invented in New Zealand, and even that "thongs" were invented in New Zealand and called Jandals. We didn't go to war over that.

We didn't go to war over the claim that Russel Crowe was an Aussie.

But fair suck of the sav. !

This article about Manuka honey that we have been using in medicine and exporting around the world, has suddenly been "discovered" in Australia.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/honey-i-killed-...

Now if those Little Aussie Battlers (aka bastards) try to steal this one, it will be war. I am telling you war!!

We may even secede as the seventh state of Australia.

Wot they haven't annexed us yet? That is only because they are too busy doing unmentionable things to sheep.

Just between us (confidentially) our parents were of good ancestry who emigrated here to kiwiland at our own cost. They were exported as prisoners.

Breeding does out doesn't it?

:-)

kind regards
ei

PS I am bored with this American political commentary...

Last edited Fri, 16 Mar 2012, 10:28pm by energy investor

Here we go again, those Aussies telling porkies, about sterling American humanitarians - no less!

http://www.news.com.au/world/kony-2012-film-mak...

It will be war I tell you!

kind regards
ei
:-)

PS, they are still trying to work out what he was caught doing, so they can copy him. (memo. sheep still in grave danger)

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
My theory is that people who actually believe (not just hypocrites involved for social reasons) in God and Satan, are disinclined to use the Scientific Method (See: http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-proj... ). They are able to draw loose conclusions from little are no testable data, and do not submit their conclusions for any substantiation. Thus their conclusions are attributed to "Faith", or the idea that their conclusions have a form of sacredness so that they are exempt from being questioned. People who do this are exhibiting a form of paranoia similar to actual paranoids who classify others as part of some plot when confronted with any fallacy in their ideas.

Then there are others who see the truth, but take advantage of it by trying to organize these paranoids to steal their money and labor. Thus is organized religion formed. The primary attributes are intolerance and domination of ideas to prevent any challenge. One idea that allows a cult or religion to be particularly successful is the idea that what matters during this lifetime is unimportant because people who obey the leaders (priests, ministers, mullahs and whatever) will be rewarded many times over in the afterlife. People who fall for this are very susceptible to ideas such as wrapping themselves in dynamite to commit suicide in the process of getting all their rewards more quickly.

This is why I find Santorum scary along with his followers who appear to believe his ideas about what God wants for everyone regardless of what they may think or want. As Abe Lincoln said after receiving thousands of letters about how God wanted him to pursue the War Between the States (not really a civil war), "As it is my responsibility, why does God not speak to me directly about what He wants".

My personal approach is that I want to avoid drawing any conclusions about anything without positive proof. There really do not need to be any answers about things which only exist as a result of hearsay over many generations. If one is not able to observe something or the effects of something (which can be proven to be the effects of that thing), then there really is no need to draw any conclusions because nothing one can do will have any effect on that thing. The ultimate in being illogical is a Supreme Being that is so powerful that it can create a universe, but does not have the will to do anything without the help of humans carrying out its will. No one understands from where the Universe came, but all survive very well without drawing any unprovable conclusions about it. There is no reason to have witch hunts based upon half-baked conclusions based on many false assumptions all lumped under the idea that there is really something good about having "Faith" as in "a man of Faith". Even Godless Communism had Faith. The Faith was Communism itself and the Communist Party which directed it and taught that history began with the Revolution that began in 1917 and the death of the last Tzar. Anyone with any evidence to the contrary had a very short life expectancy. Faith comes in many forms.

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energy investor wrote:

Hi Guys,

Lets get to serious stuff here. You Americans should talk to Australians about racial tolerance.

We kiwis are still annoyed that you Americans claim the Wright Brothers were the first to fly, yet we know it was Richard Pearce. But we were not prepared to start a war over it.

We have always known that Phar Lap was a kiwi race horse and that lamingtons and pavlova were invented in New Zealand, and even that "thongs" were invented in New Zealand and called Jandals. We didn't go to war over that.

We didn't go to war over the claim that Russel Crowe was an Aussie.

But fair suck of the sav. !

This article about Manuka honey that we have been using in medicine and exporting around the world, has suddenly been "discovered" in Australia.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/honey-i-killed-...

Now if those Little Aussie Battlers (aka bastards) try to steal this one, it will be war. I am telling you war!!

We may even secede as the seventh state of Australia.

Wot they haven't annexed us yet? That is only because they are too busy doing unmentionable things to sheep.

Just between us (confidentially) our parents were of good ancestry who emigrated here to kiwiland at our own cost. They were exported as prisoners.

Breeding does out doesn't it?

:-)


kind regards
ei

PS I am bored with this American political commentary...

Why don't you just steal all rights and liabilities to Rubert Murdoch (Actually you can have the whole family) then we'll call it even. If that's not enough we could throw in a few mining magnates and even some soap/reality celebrities.

PS No war until we fix our submarines

As for sheep I'm still trying to forget WCushmans contribution to that topic.

wcushman wrote:

^ ^ ^ ^ ^
My theory is that people who actually believe (not just hypocrites involved for social reasons) in God and Satan, are disinclined to use the Scientific Method (See: http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-proj... ). *Snip*

As Abe Lincoln said after receiving thousands of letters about how God wanted him to pursue the War Between the States (not really a civil war), "As it is my responsibility, why does God not speak to me directly about what He wants".

My personal approach is that I want to avoid drawing any conclusions about anything without positive proof. *Snip*

The ultimate in being illogical is a Supreme Being that is so powerful that it can create a universe, but does not have the will to do anything without the help of humans carrying out its will. No one understands from where the Universe came, but all survive very well without drawing any unprovable conclusions about it.

Well said. Wish I had your gift for clear, concise, writing. Thanks

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Trita Parsi is the 2010 recipient of the Grawemeyer Award for Ideas Improving World Order.

He is the founder and president of the National Iranian American Council and an expert on US-Iranian relations, Iranian foreign policy, and the geopolitics of the Middle East.

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Hi Eric,

Its no good trying to pacify me. There will be war between NZ and Oz ... and it seems like Julia Gillard has fired the first shots.

She had the temerity to say that it is just as well the Irish emigrated to Australia because without the Irish, Australia would be just like New Zealand.

Problem is that the most of the early Irish immigrants were convicts (so that part makes us happy) but she didn't intend for the Irish to take umbrage at that. She intimated that somehow the Irish are superior to Kiwis. When of course we all know that no-one is:-)

We kiwis have no opinion on the Irish and their sheep because, as everyone knows, you can't see further than your nose in Irish fog.

But those Aussies?

kind regards
ei

But let's get serious now. You folks are debating politics when your leaders are getting ready for war?

This was an email I circulated to my group yesterday...

"Hi Guys,

There are only four reasons in support this supposition which means strikes could happen but frankly I suspect it may be more likely April/May:

1. It has been reported that the Israeli government has decided to move on Iran
2. The US aircraft carrier Enterprise is moving into position in the Med. Bringing to 3 the number of US carrier groups surrounding the designated war zone.
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/im...
3. Why else would Obama go down on his hands and knees to the Saudis asking for more oil?
4. Why else would Obama consider dipping into the SPR and seek agreement from the UK to do the same?

Brent oil prices have gapped up (but only a tad) on the news flow...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/brent-126-israel-...?

These guys are nuts. I sure hope common sense prevails."

So while you republicans argue with you democrats, your country is about to have a shot at another million or two of the world's citizens?

What are you doing about that?

kind regards
ei