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Sat, 28 Jan 2012, 11:00am #1
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I will keep this short & to the point. Since nearly everyone on this board are Manly Men, this subject is vital to our prostate health.

Forget about drugs, Saw Palmetto, expensive tablets. The solution for prostate problems is too simple. The same solution prevents prostate Cancer. This is all well documented by doctors on the internet if you do the right Google Search, "Iodine Prostate."

Complete details here:
http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/thread4520...

Be sure to read the complete links from Dr. Kruse and Dr. Davis for their cautions.

Best of health to all,
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Sat, 28 Jan 2012, 4:23pm #2
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NIce find grizz, I dont think Im old enough to worry about prostate stuff yet. My dads gunna be all over this i think. Will pass off the info.


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Sat, 28 Jan 2012, 7:24pm #3
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Have you tried diatomaceous earth for this Grizz?

God knows whether you swallow it, rub it in, or make it up as an enema, but one of them HAS to do the trick.

Worth a try?

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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 7:13am #4
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Tec wrote:

Have you tried diatomaceous earth for this Grizz?
God knows whether you swallow it, rub it in, or make it up as an enema, but one of them HAS to do the trick.
Worth a try?

No. Not related to the prostate. The prostate is one of the organs that requires a lot of iodine, 2nd only to the thyroid. In women, the breasts and ovaries require a lot of iodine. Iodine deficiency eventually leads to fibrous tissue or cancer in these organs. Our brains also require iodine to function. Iodine is why I suddenly started remembering my dreams and my insomnia was cured. I also felt like a brain fog had lifted.

Dr. Davis on iodine:

Iodine is not optional; it is necessary for health, including breast health, oral/gastrointestinal health, and the health of a developing fetus. The RDA for non-lactating adults is 150 mcg per day, the quantity required to not have a goiter, but not necessarily ideal thyroid health. I’ve therefore been advising 500-1000 mcg per day from an iodine supplement, such as kelp tablets (dried seaweed), available at health food stores (not pharmacies). The only adverse effects of iodine arise in people who have inflammatory thyroid disease, such as Hashimoto’s thyroiditis, unsuspected thyroid nodules, or longstanding and severe iodine deficiency.
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2011/10/thyroid-t...

Old men get prostate cancer & old women get breast cancer? NO LONGER TRUE if everyone gets adequate iodine. Dr. Kruse, my other hero, recommends 3 servings of seaweed a week or daily iodine supplements.

The so-called Japanese dose of 12.5 to 13 MILLIgrams a day of one of the iodine forms (Potasssium Iodide, Iodine/Potassium Iodide or Potassium Iodate)[called iodora from Amazon.com] is probably where you want to be for most nutritional requirements. It is very safe and considered optimal based on the good health of the Japanese who get around this amount on a daily basis. Keep in mind most forms of iodine contain some non-iodine material (Potassium, Oxygen). According to Dr. Michael B. Schacter of the Schacter Center for Complementary Medicine, in iodine deficiency states it can take up to a year to become sufficient in iodine using this dose.
http://pharmacistben.com/home/18-clearing-up-th...

Iodine Deficiency leads to hypothyroidism. Some of the symptoms include:
* Fatigue
* Depression
* Modest weight gain
* Cold intolerance
* Excessive sleepiness
* Dry, coarse hair
* Constipation
* Dry skin
* Muscle cramps
* Increased cholesterol levels
* Decreased concentration [brain fog]
* Vague aches and pains
* Swelling of the legs

Later stages
* puffiness around the eyes
* slowing of the heart rate
* drop in body temperature even heart failure
In its most profound form, severe hypothyroidism may lead to a life-threatening coma.
http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/aha/umioddef.htm

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Irony is not your forte is it Grizz?

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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 8:00am #6
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Tec,
Ignore & mock the iodine recommendation made by a growing list of doctors at your own peril.

Grizz

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Hey Grizz,

My wife and I are big fans of Mark Sisson. Been on Primal since the beginning of the year. Paleo pancakes for breakfast this morning. I also recently read Robb Wolf's book: The Paleo Diet. A friend and neighbor, who is also a GP physician, recommended it and keeps boxes of the books in his office for sale.

I have lost a good bit of weight and got in shape the old fashion way but for the past year I have hit a road block. Last few pounds around midsection and a stone wall on muscle development. Over the past month I dropped about 5 pounds but I feel like I dropped another 20. Changing my exercise to Sisson's primal basics of sprinting,heavy, play, rest is real simple and beneficial.

The primal/paleo diet is not a new fad diet and I truly expect people to be hearing more and more about it real soon.


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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 9:35am #8
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Y_No,

I'm happy to hear of your progress. You might enjoy a specialized modification of the Paleo Diet by Dr. Kruse which is designed to change your metabolism to burn fat.

Details here:
http://jackkruse.com/my-leptin-prescription/
http://tinyurl.com/Dr-Kruse-References

My son has lost 60 lbs since August on this special Paleo Diet. Was 310 lbs, now 250. His goal is 200.

Also this is a GREAT site to visit, by Dr. Davis:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/

Best to you,
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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 9:59am #9
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Typical day this past month:

breakfast: paleo pancakes, or eggs with spinach, fresh fruit like an apple or a banana.

lunch: typically a grilled chicken breast or tuna over spinach salad and tons of other veggies, oil/vinegar dressing.

dinner: either lean meat, fish, or fowl with fresh veggies(steamed or grilled)

We have also discovered the benefits of using spaghetti squash instead of noodles and just started to eat butternut squash. Using a good bit of almond butter instead of peanut butter.

FEELING LEAN and MEAN!


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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 10:21am #10
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You might enjoy THESE noodles. Grain Free and loaded with critical iodine.
http://www.iherb.com/Search?kw=kelp+noodles

Ideal for salads, soups, stews, and a nice replacement for grain noodles.

Your diet looks great, and you are on your way to great health.

Grizz


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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 10:47am #11
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50% of men autopsied have prostate cancer although the vast majority died of other causes. Prostate cancer metastasizes very slowly. But, if you live long enough, prostate cancer probably will be what kills you eventually, unless treated in time.


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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 10:49am #12
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Y_No wrote:

Hey Grizz,

My wife and I are big fans of Mark Sisson. Been on Primal since the beginning of the year. Paleo pancakes for breakfast this morning. I also recently read Robb Wolf's book: The Paleo Diet. A friend and neighbor, who is also a GP physician, recommended it and keeps boxes of the books in his office for sale.

I have lost a good bit of weight and got in shape the old fashion way but for the past year I have hit a road block. Last few pounds around midsection and a stone wall on muscle development. Over the past month I dropped about 5 pounds but I feel like I dropped another 20. Changing my exercise to Sisson's primal basics of sprinting,heavy, play, rest is real simple and beneficial.

The primal/paleo diet is not a new fad diet and I truly expect people to be hearing more and more about it real soon.

Good for you, keep up the good work


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Ever time I get tested (0.0-4.0) for prostate I rate at 0.4, God has blessed me with a very healthy life


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Not all prostate cancer grows slowly and you don't have to be old to get it.


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I know a good friend of mine passed on from it last year


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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 11:16am #16
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See these 2 videos on prostate cancers by Dr. John Douillard:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2gvI1iFmbg&...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uhNIKaid0w

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Sun, 29 Jan 2012, 11:37am #17
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Thyroid disease for > 10 years causes at least 3 times more prostate cancer. Moderate amounts of iodine in urine showed marginally higher cancer than low iodine, and high amounts showed marginally less cancer. So it's unknown. But you'll definitely reduce your risk of cancer if you keep cell phones away from your head, eat an apple a day, eat broccoli, exercise more, make more than 2 or 3 friends, and get MORE sunshine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17571964


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Be careful not to be lulled into a false sense of complacency if you have an elevated psa and take proscar to shrink your prostate... (numbers)...it effectively "halves" your true psa reading. Illusionary in the fact that the true underlying cause may be cancer causing an elevated psa, not just an inflamation or infection. After seeing my psa jump from 3.7 to 11.2 in two months, and taking proscar w/antibiotics for several months (no success) I suspected the attending physician enjoyed my visits. Don't hesitate to get a biopsy from a specialist.


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I'm with ya Grizz and on your health page too! I had a viral infection last year where I couldn't climb the stairs despite maintaining my good food fluid intakes. After doc pumped me with two different antibiotics I got worse 3 weeks in. Damn antibiotics killed any good intestinal flora even though I took a pro-biotic. My doc concluded "Oh it must be viral so you need to rest over the next 2-3 weeks nothing we can do for viral infections which can take weeks or months. I said I've got to get better now or I may lose my friggin job! Since it was early spring and I was desperate I figured I'd try dandelions (yes the lawn weed) since they purportedly were healthy and antiviral. All my ignorant neighbors sprayed insecticides and chemicals on their lawns to kill dandelions etc. but not me. I even had a large bee hive in one of my large oak trees which was very active when I first bought the property but it died out after all the neighbors bought/built and sprayed. I was the first one in privately, the others were part of a development. I gathered the dandelion whole plants from my lawn fresh each day except for the lowest part of the root so they would grow back. My bees were formerly always all over the dandelions when the sun came out which opens them. Popped three plants daily into the blender with a tablespoon of raw honey (also good) and filtered water. Next day I felt 50% better. 3 days later all symptoms gone. Grizz, I started eliminating wheat from my diet last year and have felt better since and I always had insomnia related to mild anxiety so I upped my magnesium levels which my doctor told me were borderline fine according to blood work. I don't like the word borderline! Couple days later after magnesium supplementation I was falling asleep on the couch while reading. Hadn't done that in years and continue to have relaxation with magnesium supplementation as well as less muscle aches and pains. Enjoyed your page and post for us.


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PS, beta-sistosterol complex is the active ingredients in saw palmetto and is much more effective. Folate, zinc, methylselencysteine (800 to 2,000 mcg/day if you have prostate cancer for as long as your hair and nails don't start falling off), and vitamin D (4,000 IU/day everyone) are probably the best known for prostate cancer, if berberine turns out to not be bioavailable. Also, it's possible to apply resveratrol and others DIRECTLY using DMSO as the carrier. They could even study methylene blue-like compounds and combine with red LED lights up the butt, but none of this is patentable so there will not be any serious research into these technologies. Even where there is serious research such as phase 3 FDA trials, people never hear of it because there is not much advertising money spent to let you know about the results.


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Grizz, thanks for the advice and I appreciate it.

I have significantly reduced my carb intake (including wheat products). I have high blood sugar and I am convinced any amount of high process carbs is bad for anyone since it causes spikes in blood sugar.

I take 2000 IU of Vitamin D daily.

Gonna look into this iodine stuff now. I know that multivitamins contain iodine so I think I may be getting enough.


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jimbobway wrote:

Grizz, thanks for the advice and I appreciate it.

I have significantly reduced my carb intake (including wheat products). I have high blood sugar and I am convinced any amount of high process carbs is bad for anyone since it causes spikes in blood sugar.

I take 2000 IU of Vitamin D daily.

Gonna look into this iodine stuff now. I know that multivitamins contain iodine so I think I may be getting enough.

jimbobway,
Multi-Vitamins do contain iodine, but only 150 mcg. You need 10+ times more than that for good health. Every cell in your body requires iodine, especially the brain, prostate & thyroid. Do your Iodine Skin Patch Test to see how deficient you are.

Iodine Patch Test
I’m now going to demonstrate how you can test yourself for whether you have enough iodine in your body or not, it’s called the “iodine patch test” … you simply take a bottle of Lugol’s 5% iodine,[Amazon.Com] or another form of iodine, put some of it on your skin … let it absorb into your skin … in the area of about one-inch square is sufficient, of course, we let it dry, we can see the reddish-brown color of the iodine.

How to interpret the results of the test are: if all of this color is absorbed through your skin into the body in less then eight hours, you have a very severe deficiency of iodine in your body; eight to sixteen hours, you have a moderate deficiency; sixteen to twenty-four hours, you have a slight to moderate deficiency. Only if it takes twenty-four hours or more for this to slowly fade away, does it indicate that you have enough iodine in your body, …which, according to Dr. Guy Abraham, is 1500 milligrams total quantity of iodine in a full-saturated iodine patient.

This is a simple way, and although it is easy to do, it apparently correlates very well with the much more scientific, medical, and technical way of testing for iodine, which is to take a loading dose and check a 24-hour urine [sample] to see how much of it you’ve dumped out of your body, …the rest of it, presumably, having been absorbed into your tissues. This is an easy way … you can do this test every one to two weeks, as you’re trying to do your loading on the Lugol’s iodine, as outlined by Dr. Guy Abraham, M.D..
http://www.utopiasilver.com/iodinetranscript.htm

My 1st skin test, the stain was GONE in 3 minutes ! ! ! That is unbelievably deficient. Now 4 weeks into iodine supplements & it takes 3 hours for the stain to disappear. In the meantime, I went from 1mg (3 weeks) to 2 mg 1 week to 12 mg iodoral from Amazon.Com. 12 mg is the recommended dosage by Dr. Brownstein. I plan to stay at this dosage until my skin test passes the 24 hour mark, then cut back to 1 mg/day.

The other HUGE problem is that chemicals in our food & drinking water zap iodine from our bodies:Chemical halogens (class of chemicals to which iodine belongs) fluoride, bromine and bromides, and chlorine. Bromine is everywhere in bread, pesticides, makeup, hair coloring. So the pitiful 150 mcg in a multi-vitamin pill has zero chance of providing adequate iodine.

Judging from the impact on my life so far, iodine is a miracle supplement. Curing my insomnia and correcting my Prostate are HUGE. It feels great to once again piss like a Race Horse from the start-stop dribbling stream 4 weeks ago!

PS) Wheat does have a terrible impact on our health. See this site by Cardiologist Dr. Davis:
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/
His book is AMAZING, and should be read by everyone in your family.

PSS) 2,000 IU Daily is not nearly enough Vitamin D3. Do your 25(oh)D blood test and it should read between 70 & 100 ng/ml. For most folks, this requires 10,000+ IU daily. At home blood test $65 or at your nearest Lab Corp for $50.
http://jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/...

Grizz

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From my reading, 2,000 IU vit D3 might be enough and 10,000 IU per day might be too much. RDA's to prevent problems are 1/3 to 3 times as high as the "RDA's" in other mammals which are for discernable optimum health. I think RDA for people was 400 IU forever with scare stories for higher doses (one of the great tragedies in American history in terms of lives lost) and the generally sane now say at least 800 IU. OK, so that gives me 3*800=2,400 as a tentative upper bound for human optimum health based on effects in other mammals. 5 times is also possible. 10,000 IU per day would place vitamin D3 in a different class than nutrition, so I say no to that level as being needed for optimum health. Final answer to the general populace: 4,000 IU.

Vitamin D3 is one of the few vitamins that have a solid theoretical reason for consumption: we don't work outside any mroe, and men from higher lattitudes get bald in order to procure it. The gene is secretly passed through the women so men are unawares they are marrying a woman who will give them bald children. Baldness is not attractive because more often in human history it meant mal nutrition. Prostate cancer is much more common in darker skin and higher lattitudes, further showing Vitamin D3s connection to prostate cancer. I've known this for 25 years and had marvelled at how good information does not travel. Sort of like marvelling at theestory and all the idiots here who can't discern good info from bad.

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Zawy,

The correct amount of Vitamin D3 for each individual is different.

The only way to know for certain is with a blood test. 10,000 IU dauly is perfect for me, because my blood test came in at 73 ng/ml. My wife's test was 66 ng/ml from 10,000 IU.

Our son comes in perfect at 5,000 IU daily. The range you want to see is 70 to 100 ng/ml in your blood test.

THIS IS FAR TOO IMPORTANT TO GUESS ! Your immune system requires vitamin D3.
http://www.naturalnews.com/z028357_vitamin_D_de...
At home blood test is only $65 and $50 at your nearest Lab Corp.

Prior to taking Vitamin D3, I used to suffer a TERRIBLE chest cold every winter that would last for many weeks. Sometimes so bad that I even lost my voice. Since taking D3, no more colds of any kind. The worst I get now is sniffles for a few days. Optimum vitamin D3 for your body is a cure for the common cold, and better than a flu shot.

Vitamin D3 deficiency leads to more than a nasty cold:
Neurologist Dr. Kruse says,DISEASES ASSOCIATED WITH LOW VITAMIN D LEVELS: (below 30 ng/ml on a Vitamin D 25 (OH) test

•Rickets and osteomalacia and psoriasis
•Hypocalcemia
•Seizures, muscle tetanus and heart failure in the newly born
•Osteoporosis and Osteopenia
•Cancer of all types
•Heart disease (the number killer of men and women)
•High blood pressure development
•Obesity from all causes
•Osteo and Rheumatoid Arthritis
•Mental illness of all types
•Chronic pain centrally or peripherally mediated.
•Muscular weakness
•Radiation poisoning
•Diabetes…..especially metabolic syndrome and T2D development
•Multiple sclerosis and most autoimmune diseases
http://jackkruse.com/the-sunshine-of-your-life/...

So yes, this is far too important to play guessing games, Each 1,000 IU change in dosage alters the blood test reading by 10 ng/ml....

* At Home Test Kit $65
http://www.zrtlab.com/vitamindcouncil/

* Lab Corp Testing $50
http://www.saveonlabs.com/products/Vitamin-D%2C...

Grizz

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Maybe you're right. Sunshine provides something like 10,000 IU with only 15 to 30 minutes of full body exposure. I've starting taking 100,000 IU at the first sign of a cold or flu and it seems to work great. But I also take 20 echinacea pills, 10 g of vitamin C and zinc losenge in the nose, and zinc liquid in the opening of the nose (but not deep because it kill sense of smell permanently). I only know for sure that the two different zincs work, but I strongly suspect the echinacea and vit D3. The vit C helps you feel better for about an hour after taking 4,000 mg.


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I take a vitamin every day that gives me 100% of my DV of iodine. Is that enough or should I be taking more than that?


You tell me.

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e'er,

Sorry, but the RDA of 150 mcg iodine in your multi-vitamin is a joke. Not even 10% of what you really need for good health.

Prove this to yourself by taking this simple skin test using Lugols 5% Iodine from Amazon.Com.
http://www.utopiasilver.com/iodinetranscript.htm

Unless you eat seaweed 3 times a week, or take iodine supplements, I guarantee that you are severely deficient.

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I heard if you don't use it you lose it. So work that thi
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Liberty wrote:

I heard if you don't use it you lose it. So work that thi
ng. Love the one you're with.

I heard the same thing and agree.

I caution folks to keep in mind that our little cancer friends perhaps like the same abundance of nutrients that healthy cells need to be healthy. eh, balance.

IIRC, PaulF recently commented that there is evidence to suggest that diet can provide a modicum of protection to PREVENT some cancers, but don't try to cure yourself via diet if diagnosed with cancer. Great advice from a smart guy.


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Iodine Deficiency and Estrogen Dominant Diseases - Jorge D. Flechas, MD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O6LDqyZguU&...

This video underscores the importance of women ESPECIALLY to avoid iodine deficiency. Women are 15 times more likely to suffer SEVERE problems from iodine deficiencies. I consider this video a MUST SEE for all ladies. Show this to your wives and all of your girlfriends, too.

Grizz


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